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		<title>By: Sean Creighton</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1609</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Creighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was perhaps over optimistic about the possibility of constructive dialogue with Carilion. As they have not replied to me, even after reminders, I posted an update on my blog: 

 Need for more transparency by Croydon Council Part 2 - Carillion and the
Library Service
http://historyandsocialaction.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/need-for-more-transparency-by-croydon_11.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was perhaps over optimistic about the possibility of constructive dialogue with Carilion. As they have not replied to me, even after reminders, I posted an update on my blog: </p>
<p> Need for more transparency by Croydon Council Part 2 &#8211; Carillion and the<br />
Library Service<br />
<a href="http://historyandsocialaction.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/need-for-more-transparency-by-croydon_11.html" rel="nofollow">http://historyandsocialaction.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/need-for-more-transparency-by-croydon_11.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it they have made no attempt to reply to this Sean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it they have made no attempt to reply to this Sean.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1607</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea for a public meeting on libraries.  I&#039;ve commented in detail on a further comment of Shirley&#039;s, below. 


The point I was trying to make here though is that the service has deteriorated drastically, even before Laing, then Carillion, took over.


This occurred as communities were divided, left with a consultation that sought to divide communities further by asking that respondents chose which of six libraries to save or close. 


Bear in mind that those who responded came up with all sorts of ideas, ideas that were just ignored by Cllr Bashford and co. Whole swathes of the community were not consulted at all, yet all now have to live with the consequences of outsourcing library services to a firm better known for construction, roads, and their dire reputation as an employer.


How did this happen? Because the council sought to divide communities? That&#039;s why campaigners and library users came together to form Save Croydon Libraries Campaign, but there are some who seek to work alone.  The Council and now Carillion must love it.


Nobury can hold a meeting, as can Bradmore Green and Sanderstead, but these meetings will achieve little and have little impact unless we pool resources and information and refuse to be fobbed off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea for a public meeting on libraries.  I&#8217;ve commented in detail on a further comment of Shirley&#8217;s, below. </p>
<p>The point I was trying to make here though is that the service has deteriorated drastically, even before Laing, then Carillion, took over.</p>
<p>This occurred as communities were divided, left with a consultation that sought to divide communities further by asking that respondents chose which of six libraries to save or close. </p>
<p>Bear in mind that those who responded came up with all sorts of ideas, ideas that were just ignored by Cllr Bashford and co. Whole swathes of the community were not consulted at all, yet all now have to live with the consequences of outsourcing library services to a firm better known for construction, roads, and their dire reputation as an employer.</p>
<p>How did this happen? Because the council sought to divide communities? That&#8217;s why campaigners and library users came together to form Save Croydon Libraries Campaign, but there are some who seek to work alone.  The Council and now Carillion must love it.</p>
<p>Nobury can hold a meeting, as can Bradmore Green and Sanderstead, but these meetings will achieve little and have little impact unless we pool resources and information and refuse to be fobbed off.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1606</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your kind words Shirley. 

The situation in Croydon beggars belief. What seems patently obvious to most is that Carillion will have loved the opportunity to claim to have increased their community engagement through this meeting. It seems there is a core in Norbury who are not interested in engaging with the rest of the borough, yet Save Croydon Libraries Campaign is in touch with Norbury residents who are not being represented locally. 

I did give you comment on your article Sean before it went to print and we accept. I hope, that we do not see eye to eye on many points, but you, like I, very much value libraries and what they provide for all sections of the community.

You&#039;ve been a great supporter of Croydon Communities Consortium (CCC) Sean. The meeting on Rubbish - the term I prefer, as opposed to the Rubbish meeting ;) - brought a lot of positive feedback and greater understanding of the issues of fly-tipping, refuse and recycling blighting the lives and environments across the borough of Croydon. It offered a platform to share information, highlight issues and give feedback. It also dealt with several issues, such as clarifying foot access to the centre in Factory Lane, which residents had been struggling with for some time, highlighting the existence of schemes such as Freecycle and Freegle, the need for trade waste agreements and so on.

If you&#039;d like to propose a meeting on Libraries after the local elections, and there is sufficient interest, then that&#039;s exactly what CCC will be happy to do. I&#039;d certainly be all for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words Shirley. </p>
<p>The situation in Croydon beggars belief. What seems patently obvious to most is that Carillion will have loved the opportunity to claim to have increased their community engagement through this meeting. It seems there is a core in Norbury who are not interested in engaging with the rest of the borough, yet Save Croydon Libraries Campaign is in touch with Norbury residents who are not being represented locally. </p>
<p>I did give you comment on your article Sean before it went to print and we accept. I hope, that we do not see eye to eye on many points, but you, like I, very much value libraries and what they provide for all sections of the community.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been a great supporter of Croydon Communities Consortium (CCC) Sean. The meeting on Rubbish &#8211; the term I prefer, as opposed to the Rubbish meeting <img src='https://thecroydoncitizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; brought a lot of positive feedback and greater understanding of the issues of fly-tipping, refuse and recycling blighting the lives and environments across the borough of Croydon. It offered a platform to share information, highlight issues and give feedback. It also dealt with several issues, such as clarifying foot access to the centre in Factory Lane, which residents had been struggling with for some time, highlighting the existence of schemes such as Freecycle and Freegle, the need for trade waste agreements and so on.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to propose a meeting on Libraries after the local elections, and there is sufficient interest, then that&#8217;s exactly what CCC will be happy to do. I&#8217;d certainly be all for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Creighton</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Creighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night&#039;s Council meeting has provided us with information on current staffing levels in the libraries. It looks as if 22.38FTE staff have been shed since
the Council managed the libraries, either by not being transferred across to
JLIS or through redundancy or ending contracts since. This figure is calculated
by totalling up the staff under the Council’s organisational structure of areas
against the Carillion figures for library based and specialist support staff. The
Council employed 90.07FTE staff; Carillion 67.69. At last night’s Council
meeting Tory Cabinet member Tim Pollard started off his answer to a question (CQ264-14) from Labour’s Tim Godfrey by stating: ‘Direct comparison with historical data is not straightforward as new ways of working, such as the roll-out of
self-service are being introduced; and historical data is based on area
structure not branch information, as is currently the case.’ The staff in each library
varies (each figure is for FTE - full time equivalent):
In former North area (21.72) now: Broad Green 1.69, Norbury 4.94, South Norwood 3.5 and Thornton Heath 4.13; total: 14.26.
South area (25.38) now: Bradmore Green 1.75, Coulsdon 3.61, New Addington 3, Purley 3.44, Selsdon 4.69, Sanderstead 1.41; total 17.9.
Central area (42.97) now: Ashburton 3.75, Central 19.2, Shirley 2; total 24.95
Library based staff are supported by 2 onfrontline duties, 2.88 homework helpers in the libraries underlined above, and 5 librarians who spend time working in libraries every week. ‘Despite the differences in staffing levels,’ adds Pollard, ‘the changes in organisation, for example the extension of self-service approaches means that the service levels have been maintained and improved in some areas such as IT.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night&#8217;s Council meeting has provided us with information on current staffing levels in the libraries. It looks as if 22.38FTE staff have been shed since<br />
the Council managed the libraries, either by not being transferred across to<br />
JLIS or through redundancy or ending contracts since. This figure is calculated<br />
by totalling up the staff under the Council’s organisational structure of areas<br />
against the Carillion figures for library based and specialist support staff. The<br />
Council employed 90.07FTE staff; Carillion 67.69. At last night’s Council<br />
meeting Tory Cabinet member Tim Pollard started off his answer to a question (CQ264-14) from Labour’s Tim Godfrey by stating: ‘Direct comparison with historical data is not straightforward as new ways of working, such as the roll-out of<br />
self-service are being introduced; and historical data is based on area<br />
structure not branch information, as is currently the case.’ The staff in each library<br />
varies (each figure is for FTE &#8211; full time equivalent):<br />
In former North area (21.72) now: Broad Green 1.69, Norbury 4.94, South Norwood 3.5 and Thornton Heath 4.13; total: 14.26.<br />
South area (25.38) now: Bradmore Green 1.75, Coulsdon 3.61, New Addington 3, Purley 3.44, Selsdon 4.69, Sanderstead 1.41; total 17.9.<br />
Central area (42.97) now: Ashburton 3.75, Central 19.2, Shirley 2; total 24.95<br />
Library based staff are supported by 2 onfrontline duties, 2.88 homework helpers in the libraries underlined above, and 5 librarians who spend time working in libraries every week. ‘Despite the differences in staffing levels,’ adds Pollard, ‘the changes in organisation, for example the extension of self-service approaches means that the service levels have been maintained and improved in some areas such as IT.’</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley Burnham</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am personally grateful to Elizabeth who, in her leading role with The (national) Library Campaign has ably represented me at numerous conferences etc which I have been unable to attend for personal reasons.  But, here, with her Croydon resident&#039;s hat on I do think it is important that she has commented about the situation &#039;on the ground&#039; in Croydon.  Very important. I rather doubt, though, that she will want to snuggle up to Carillion, given the deterioration in service that she describes.

Incidentally, I love &quot;modelled on the Consortium&#039;s excellent meeting on rubbish&quot;.  Brings all sorts of images to mind!  Best wishes to you both. S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am personally grateful to Elizabeth who, in her leading role with The (national) Library Campaign has ably represented me at numerous conferences etc which I have been unable to attend for personal reasons.  But, here, with her Croydon resident&#8217;s hat on I do think it is important that she has commented about the situation &#8216;on the ground&#8217; in Croydon.  Very important. I rather doubt, though, that she will want to snuggle up to Carillion, given the deterioration in service that she describes.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I love &#8220;modelled on the Consortium&#8217;s excellent meeting on rubbish&#8221;.  Brings all sorts of images to mind!  Best wishes to you both. S</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Creighton</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Creighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth.You gave me some detailed comments on an earlier draft of this posting  which helped me with the final version. There is no point being critical of a person who is no longer actively involved. Since there has been no co-ordinated Borough-wide initiative to find out what is going on in each library, the Norbury initiative sets an example for users of all the other libraries, leading perhaps to a joint get-together to compare notes and decide on tactics. Some may wish to wait the outcome of the local elections in case there is a change in political control. Perhaps the Croydon Communities Consortium which you chair could hold a special meeting on Libraries after 22 May, inviting Carillion to do a presentation, modelled on the Consortium&#039;s excellent meeting  on rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth.You gave me some detailed comments on an earlier draft of this posting  which helped me with the final version. There is no point being critical of a person who is no longer actively involved. Since there has been no co-ordinated Borough-wide initiative to find out what is going on in each library, the Norbury initiative sets an example for users of all the other libraries, leading perhaps to a joint get-together to compare notes and decide on tactics. Some may wish to wait the outcome of the local elections in case there is a change in political control. Perhaps the Croydon Communities Consortium which you chair could hold a special meeting on Libraries after 22 May, inviting Carillion to do a presentation, modelled on the Consortium&#8217;s excellent meeting  on rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A spokesperson for a Norbury RA sold out on libraries when the the council wanted to outsource them, and now Norbury act alone again. Croydon library service is a borough wide service. Acting alone helps no one and this post shows that acting alone has resulted in buying into and regurgitating the Carillion spin.  


It&#039;s a little late to raise questions of Carillion on issues that residents and library users have been voicing concerns about now for years. There is no will to improve library services.


Library hours have been cut, including evening opening hours.  You now can&#039;t even get through to a library, even if it is open, after 5pm. 


The outreach work with schools was lost long ago as staff had to scale back activities when so many jobs were lost. They did not even have sufficient resources to liaise with schools re book stock let alone go into schools to promote libraries, Summer Reading Challenge and so on. We went through a period where staffing was so thin that the absence of just one library assistant meant that a library could not open.


Libraries have always been access points for information. The fact is though that it is harder now to get community information into our libraries as staff change and JLIS and now Carillion put in new structures and procedures, made staff redundant and reshuffled staff so they do not know the community they serve - knowing the community being a point key to delivering services to meet needs, now lost by the actions of Carillion.


Carillion are not advertising libraries and have no desire to do so. Most residents are completely unaware of the Reading Activists activities being run, using funding from the The Reading Agency, for example, meaning low numbers accessing this valuable scheme aimed at youth 11-19 years. But the funding is still taken and continues to be taken.


And a giant like Carillion is running library services for love, not money? They derive no financial benefit.  Just like the shiny new council offices that Laings built at nil cost, I suppose. Lucky us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A spokesperson for a Norbury RA sold out on libraries when the the council wanted to outsource them, and now Norbury act alone again. Croydon library service is a borough wide service. Acting alone helps no one and this post shows that acting alone has resulted in buying into and regurgitating the Carillion spin.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little late to raise questions of Carillion on issues that residents and library users have been voicing concerns about now for years. There is no will to improve library services.</p>
<p>Library hours have been cut, including evening opening hours.  You now can&#8217;t even get through to a library, even if it is open, after 5pm. </p>
<p>The outreach work with schools was lost long ago as staff had to scale back activities when so many jobs were lost. They did not even have sufficient resources to liaise with schools re book stock let alone go into schools to promote libraries, Summer Reading Challenge and so on. We went through a period where staffing was so thin that the absence of just one library assistant meant that a library could not open.</p>
<p>Libraries have always been access points for information. The fact is though that it is harder now to get community information into our libraries as staff change and JLIS and now Carillion put in new structures and procedures, made staff redundant and reshuffled staff so they do not know the community they serve &#8211; knowing the community being a point key to delivering services to meet needs, now lost by the actions of Carillion.</p>
<p>Carillion are not advertising libraries and have no desire to do so. Most residents are completely unaware of the Reading Activists activities being run, using funding from the The Reading Agency, for example, meaning low numbers accessing this valuable scheme aimed at youth 11-19 years. But the funding is still taken and continues to be taken.</p>
<p>And a giant like Carillion is running library services for love, not money? They derive no financial benefit.  Just like the shiny new council offices that Laings built at nil cost, I suppose. Lucky us!</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley Burnham</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a labyrinthine mess.  The public don&#039;t know what&#039;s been agreed, so they are scuppered.  Machiavelli a particular hero of members in Croydon, is he?  He seems to be preferred reading for numerous councils now.  #democracyfail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a labyrinthine mess.  The public don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s been agreed, so they are scuppered.  Machiavelli a particular hero of members in Croydon, is he?  He seems to be preferred reading for numerous councils now.  #democracyfail</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Giles</title>
		<link>https://thecroydoncitizen.com/politics-society/next-croydon-libraries/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth would I want to pay more Council Tax? I am an OAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth would I want to pay more Council Tax? I am an OAP.</p>
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